Normally, I'd just politely pass on these door-stoppers, but lately I've been trying to take the time to point out to these potential authors that their books are simply too long and suggest a manageable length for them, depending upon the genre involved.
Somewhere out there a myth developed - especially amongst fantasy writers - that a higher word count was better. Writers see big fat fantasies on the shelf and think that they have to write a book just as hefty to get published. And sometimes a writer just writes a long book because they aren't yet a very good writer. Good writers learn how to pare a manuscript down to its most essential elements, carving away the word count fat that marks so many beginning writers. And the fact of the matter is, most of those "big fat fantasy" books you see on the shelf actually only have a word count of about 100k to 120k.
The exceptions are usually authors who've already had an established track record of sales with previous - shorter - books, like George R.R. Martin. And, yes, once in a great while you will see an incredibly long debut novel. But the writing has to be absolutely stellar; knock-down, drag-out, kick-you-in-the-teeth amazing. (A good example is Elizabeth Kostova's The Historian, which clocks in at just about 240,000 words.)
And I should also point out here that the longer a successful writer has been with a publishing house and the more actual dollars that author brings to the house (and the bigger that author's advances get), the more clout that author may have regarding being able to keep his or her novel intact, without taking advantage of the editorial guidance being offered. And that is never a good thing for the book. Editors exist for a damned good reason, and no author is ever such a fabulous writer that a good editor can't find things to make better in his or her manuscript.
There was a time about ten or so years ago when bigger word counts were the norm and not the exception. Like everything, the book industry goes through trends. But these days, editors of adult fiction - even editors of epic fantasy - squirm a little when presented with a manuscript that runs over 110k words. The fact is that those bookstore buyers responsible for populating bookstore shelves - the gatekeepers - are prone to buying fewer copies of longer books. Books with a higher page count cost more to physically produce, resulting in a higher per-book manufacturing cost, meaning even more copies will need to be sold to make the estimated P&L work. Publishers want to make money; bookstores want to make money. Do the math.
When you search around the Internet for information on word counts, you get a lot of conflicting information, some of it just plain wrong, and often this information is coming from sources that would appear reputable to a writer who didn't know any better. One article I read last week that was posted online at a major writing magazine actually insists that the average novel (non-genre) is 150,000 words. I have no idea where the writer of the article got his or her information, but that's simply untrue. An average novel length is between 80k and 100k, again, depending upon the genre.
Word counts for different kinds of novels vary, but there is a general rule of thumb for fiction that a writer can use when trying to figure out just how long is too long. For the purposes of this post, I'm only talking about YA and adult fiction here. I don't handle middle grade fiction, and I certainly don't read enough of it to be able to discuss it with any authority, but perhaps another agent or editor who is reading this can chime in below on comments and talk about middle grade and chapter books. And bear in mind that there are always exceptions, but a good general rule of thumb would be as follows:
YA fiction = Can be anywhere from about 50k to 80k; sometimes - but rarely - goes above 90kI cannot stress highly enough that there are always exceptions to every rule, especially in SF/F. Jacqueline Carey and Peter F. Hamilton, among others, have proven this quite successfully. But for a debut novelist who is trying to catch the eye of an agent or editor for the first time? Err on the side of caution with your word count.
urban fantasy / paranormal romance = Usually around the 80k to 100k mark; some urban fantasy writers (I believe Kelley Armstrong may be one of them) turn in even higher word counts.
mysteries and crime fiction = While cozies tend to be shorter than the average (somewhere around the 60k to 70k mark), most books that fall into this category fall right around the 80k to 100k mark
mainstream fiction = Depending upon the kind of fiction, this can vary: chick lit runs anywhere from 80k word to 100k words; literary fiction can run as high as 120k but lately there's been a trend toward more spare and elegant shorter literary novels; thrillers also run in somewhere around the 90k to 100k mark; historical fiction can run as high as 140k words or more (and again, these are just rough guides - there are always exceptions). And anything under 50k is usually considered a novella, which isn't something agents or editors ever want to see unless the editor has commissioned a short story collection. (Agent Kristin Nelson has a good post about writers querying about manuscripts that are too short.)
science fiction and fantasy = Here's where most writers seem to have problems: most editors I've spoken to recently at major SF/F houses want books that fall into the higher end of the adult fiction you see above; a few of them told me that 100k words is the ideal manuscript size for good space opera or fantasy; for a truly spectacular epic fantasy, they'll consider 120k /130k. Regardless of the size, they'll but expect to be able to get the author to pare it down even further before publication. (Editors will often make exceptions for sequels, by the way. Notice that the page count in both J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series and George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series gets progressively higher.) But even authors who have been published for years and should know better will routinely turn in manuscripts that exceed the editor's requested length by 30k to 50k words, which inevitably means more work for that author because editors don't back down - if a contract calls for a book that is 100k words and you turn in one that is 130k, expect to go back and find a way to shave 30k words off that puppy before your manuscript is accepted. (And remember that part of the payout schedule of an author's advance often dangles on that one important word: acceptance.) If an agent or editor finds a truly outstanding book that runs in the 200k range (yes, it happens!), it may end up getting cut into two books to make life easier for everyone.



56 comments:
About how long ago did editors start shunning longer novels? I know that they were in vogue for a while; I read an interview with a pro author a while ago in which she bragged that she had just sold a 500K novel. I've noticed books getting shorter for a couple of years now, but a lot of bookstore shelves are still pretty packed with longer books (more F than SF) and, well, it takes a good three years or so for editorial trends to filter down to us lowly readers. :)
That said, thank Elvis for leeway on sequels. ;)
Well, the editors I know well at a couple of different houses have always sort of discouraged them, except from the folks who'd already published several novels and had an extremely good sell-through with them. But I'd say that at at the very least, the 100k ideal has been around for at the past five or six years.
One very sound reason is that the buyers in charge of populating sections at major chain bookstores will buy far less of a big fat book with a higher page count than they will of a book with a shorter page count (again, unless it if from a known entity).
And as I mentioned, the books may seem really long, but sometimes that is deceptive. Depending upon the typeface and words-per-page that a publisher's interior designer sets for a book, the same word count can fit anywhere from 500 pages to 700.
If you've ever picked up a mass market novel and squinted your way through what seems ridiculously small type on ridiculously jam-packed pages, well, that's because the publisher is trying to reduce the page count of a novel with an overly-long word count so that they are able to get more copies out the door.
Generally, the shorter a book is, the more will fit on a shelf. It's just a byproduct of economics.
Great explanatory post! I bet a lot of people will link to it.
Lately I've been reading a lot of YA, and am astonished at how short some of them are. Really slim books, maybe 40K. Sometimes weighty enough in subject matter, but some of them are slight. I wonder what the publishers are thinking, putting out a hardcover 40K girl-must-choose-between-two boys plot and charging $16.95 for it. Doom!
Thanks, Sarah!
Yes, Kristin Nelson's post about books that are too short touches on that topic.
Are the YA books you're seeing under 40k mostly franchised product (akin to things like The Gossip Girls)? Just curious.
I think one point of confusion with aspiring writers is how word count is calculated. As I understand it, most professionals are referring to estimated word count (250 words x the number of pages), while a vast number of aspiring writers are just using the word count from their word processor -- this often produces a number that is way higher.
There isn't any absolute conversion factor between the two counting methods, but in my own works I've seen the word processor count be 20,000 words higher than the proper one. At least some of those 120,000-word fantasies you see from aspiring writers are really closer to 100,000 words, I would bet. (Not to say they don't still need trimming!)
Christopher -
That's absolutely true. This is one of the reasons that both editors and copyeditors often prefer that a writer uses a monospace typeface such as Courier at a 12-point size when preparing a final manuscript for submission.
My colleague Deanna Hoak, one of the best copyeditors in the business, has several good posts about the Courier vs. Times New Roman thing, by the way, and the difficulty is causes in production and editing.
Read here, here and especially here.
As someone with one of those bippin' "door-stoppers"... (On your doorstep, so you're probably either talkin' bout me or rejecting me already, heh.)
Anyway, I used the Word Count tool, not the "250 word x pages" count. Do agents/editors really expect to see the second number instead, even if loading the manuscript into Word will give 115K words instead of... 128K? (12-point Courier, double-spaced, 512 pages according to Word, and it's coming out "bigger" than the true word-count. ...Aw, *crud*. Too fat either way, and a blighted trilogy to boot. Just tell me it's too big when you send it back; I'm working on a second project anyway that *will* be smaller.)
Thank you for this -- I've been looking for a good up-to-date opinion on real novel lengths for a while. This matches what I've been thinking and makes me feel good about my instincts! :)
(BTW, came across your blog a couple of months ago and have been enjoying it ever since! Thanks!)
Don
Colleen - Thanks for the links, those are very interesting.
archangelbeth - As far as I know, if you're coming out with a higher estimated word count than your actual word count, then something isn't right. Do you have 1" margins on all sides, and is your font 12 point Times or Courier? Anne Mini has a great category on her blog called "Formatting Manuscripts," which shows you all the ins and outs on that.
Christopher:
I think that you're the one who's doing something wrong. In my experience, the ms-page wordcount is always higher than the wordcount reported by your word processor.
Looking at my own mss (which are the only ones I have handy to do comparison), the project I'm currently shopping has 358 pages, which is 89,500 words. I write 90,000 in my query. But the word-processor count is 79,596. That's a 10K difference. And I'm quite sure that my ms conforms to standards.
I have a short story that's 750 words by the word processor, and 1500 by manuscript---twice as large! That's because it's mostly dialogue, which means lots of short paragraphs that up the page count without adding as much to the "word" count.
I'm wondering if it's mostly newbie writers or obviously more experienced writers turning out such large books? I just got done judging a contest (where noting word count is optional) and had a few that were reported very large but also obviously by writer who um needed to hone their writing skills.
Archangel Beth -
The most important thing is that your book is long enough to tell the whole story and that the writing is strong enough in the first place.
And I think that a lot of editors these days understand that the word count you're using is rough and based on what a program like Word or Scriven or OpenOffice will give you. As long as you're using the correct typeface and manuscript formatting, you're going to be in the ballpark, plus or minus 10k words.
Amie -
Almost without exception the higher word count queries come from new writers without any writing credits behind them and without any affiliation with a professional writer's organization. Queries from members of SFWA and RWA are almost always within the rule of thumb word counts listed above, and when they aren't, they don't exceed it by more than about 15k.
Thank you for shedding light on this issue because I too, saw an article recently where that 150K figure was quoted.
It makes me feel better about the 80,000 words I'm working on paring down just a bit more before I launch myself heedlessly into the scary world of query writing, or as I like to call it 'will the agent like my dress at first glance.'
Thanks for this! It reinforces what I've heard before, but on occasion I hear a different viewpoint, so it's nice to know for certain.
P.S. Which word count formula: Actual, computer word count, or the whole 1 page of 12 pt. Courier New, double spaced, 1-inch margins = 250 words? It can vary so much, especially in dialogue-heavy books.
archangelbeth -
I figured out what our discrepancy is. Looking back at your first post, I see you are using Courier. I'm using Times New Roman. With Times, the word-processor word count is (seemingly) always higher, while with Courier the reverse is always true.
Stats with my current novel:
-Word processor word count: 87,915
-Courier estimated: 103,000
-Times estimated: 77,500
So, clearly the font and the counting method can cause a huge variance in the word count.
Two things, I tend to write my books using Courier New. I set it so that I have exactly 25 lines per page. I tend to end up with slightly less words over all using Word counter vs. counting the pages 250X1. I think it's because I tend to write short paragraphs...some with just one sentence. And I do a good amount of dialogue. I have been using the 250Xnumber of pages forever. Hopefully, that is cool.
Because the actual space the words take up is more important, I would think, than 'true' word count. Right?
Second, I subbed my current MS to an agent about 6 months ago. It is an 80K paranormal. I got a rejection telling me that paranormals tend to be 'longer' than 80K! I thought that was odd. This was the only agent to make such a comment.
I feel so much better about my too-short fantasy novel now. I thought that 106,000 was far too short for anything that was supposed to be taking seriously. (And for this conversation, that's the MS-Word wordcount.)
Harry Potter has ruined my summer every other year for, well, a span now.
My husband is the manager in charge of coordinating all depts for the braille publishing house that has brought the last three Potter books to blind kids the very same day the print volumes were released in the US.
Awesome, yes!
Still, Order of the Phoenix was 13 volumes in braille (each volume is 12"x12" and 4" thick) and Deathly Hallows was 10 volumes.
I have spent many an unreasonable moment muttering "Oh, come on, Rowling--YA is supposed to be SHORT!"
Phoenix is over a quarter of the size of the Bible.
I love the kid, but he's squeezing me out of my den.
*That said, what those books have done for braille literacy is something that reaches FAR beyond a wife's tantrum. This comment, however, is about my tantrum. Nod*
christopher m. park:
12-point Courier, 1-inch margins, double-spaced. (Header at the .5 inch mark with last name, email, title, and page number. Should probably add phone number, but am concerned that the header-clutter is evil.) Perhaps I use too many long words, artificially lowering my word-count? [reads later] Ahh, yes, that would do it. Mono-spaced fonts do take up more room than fonts like times. (But the copy-editors prefer the clearer mono-spaced ones, I'm given to understand.)
Lady la gringa:
Thank you for the reassurance! I hope my writing is strong enough to suck you in despite the length. (I, naturally, am at the stage where I'm sure that the thing is entirely awful and weak as a limp noodle, but I recognize my bias.) And if not, such is life and I'll just hope that it wasn't an unpleasant chore to skim.
...without taking advantage of the editorial guidance being offered. And that is never a good thing for the book. Editors exist for a damned good reason...
Thank you for saying this out loud. It's painfully noticeable in so many series nowadays. I pray I always have an editor who will tell me what they think. (I also pray to always edit writers who listen to me, too, but that's another issue...)
As one working on a 190,000 word plus monster, (there will be surgery and blood), this issue hounds me. Thanks for the very clear info!
FWIW, Here are some famous novels, old and recent and their word counts.
HARRY POTTERS
Philosopher’s Stone....77,325
Chamber of Secrets.....84,799
Prisoner of Azkaban...106,821
Goblet of Fire........190,858
Order of the Phoenix..257,154
Half Blood Prince.....169,441
Deathly Hallows.......198,227
Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe...36,363
Anna Karenina...349,736
War and Peace...587,287
Gone with the Wind...418,053
The English Patient...82,370
A Prayer for Owen Meany...236,061
Crime and Punishment...211,591
The Brothers Karamazov...364,153
Sense and Sensibility...119,394
Great Expectations...183,349
Ender’s Game...100,609
Moby Dick...206,052
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...30,644
Emma...155,887
The Hours...54,243
The Golden Compass...112,815
The Fellowship of the Ring...177,227
The Two Towers...143,436
The Return of the King...134,462
The Lord of the Rings...455,125
The Tenth Circle...114,779
My Sister’s Keeper...119,529
A Tale of Two Cities...135,420
White Teeth...169,389
Atonement...123,378
The Mouse and the Motorcycle...22,416
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn...109,571
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer...69,066
One Hundred Years of Solitude...144,523
Memoirs of a Geisha...186,418
Snow Falling on Cedars...138,098
Cold Mountain...161,511
Midnight’s Children...208,773
A House for Mr. Biswas...198,901
All the Pretty Horses...99,277
A Suitable Boy...591,554(est.)
(Most of these come from http://www.renlearn.com/store/quiz_advanced.asp?c=MP+30%3A45%3A9+8002%2F01%2F3. Find a title. Included in the info on the title is the word count.)
Mike -
These are interesting, but some of them seem to be off.
COLD MOUNTAIN just isn't a very long novel; I have difficulty believing that is is 160k-plus words. It is less than 470 pages long.
Likewise ATONEMENT and ENGLISH PATIENT in trade paperback have virtually the same page count; I don't see how one could be double the word count of the other.
I think these numbers are off.
Great post. Thanks a lot for the information. Just this weekend I've been pondering about how insanely long my novel is already. I put the mark for the first draft on 200,000 words, well-aware of the fact that I'd probably have to scratch half of it. Right now 150,000 sounds much more reasonable and will give me a lot less to tweak. It's urban fantasy so I don't want to make it too long anyway, but right now I've to admit that I'm just kind of letting it go. I'll heed your post though, thanks!
I'm a little surprised at some of the word counts as well. I do remember COLD MOUNTAIN being a longish read. The print in the trade paperback of THIRTEEN MOONS is VERY small.
The Ren Learn site the word counts come from is aimed at educators. It has ISBNs, editions, publishers, etc. with each title, so I'm inclined to accept the word counts as being accurate, a way for a school librarian to know how long a book actually is, vs number of pages.
The upshot for me is that a publishable book is very, very tightly written and that a richly imagined, memorable story doesn't take thousands and thousands of words to tell.
My own word count is embarassing! But I'm working on it. :-)
Thanks again for the best explanation of the issue I've read to date!
Hum. I certainly wouldn't argue for longer word counts making better books, or necessarily deny that agents or publishers are looking for shorter ones, and there's no argument against editing as tight as possible. But - at least in epic fantasy - long debuts seem to be pretty successful, still. Gollancz published three debuts in 2006, all of which seem to have done well - The Blade Itself is about 190,000 words, Tom Lloyd's Stormcaller I reckon to be about the same, and Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora is probably a bit longer than either. The most successful fantasy debut of last year, Pat Rothfuss' Name of the Wind, is longer yet. I'd guess it's pushing quarter of a million. David Anthony Durham's Acacia I haven't a copy of, but Amazon says it's near 600 pages. In trade. Looking on the sci-fi side, David Louis Edelman's Infoquake is over 400 pages in trade - I'd be surprised if that makes it much under 150,000 words. That's a lot of successful debut authors, including 4 nominees out of 6 for the Campbell award, writing pretty whacking big books.
Just sayin'.
Colleen,
I'm wondering about the estimated word count. Everyone seems to accept that a manuscript with 12-point Courier text and 1" margins should be estimated at pages x 250. However, Anne Mini states that while 250 words per page is correct for Times New Roman, writers who use Courier should calculate their word count as pages x 200. Is this correct?
Thanks.
Maybe I'm missing something. I just did a word count of my YA novel in Courier New - 60,705. I then did a word count after switching to Times New Roman - 60,705. No difference. Now, the page count was dramatically higher using the Courier font, but word count didn't change.
BTW - in 5.25x8 tim size the total page count is 216 pages.
BTW - I should clarify that I used the word count tool in Word.
Scrath that. I figured it out. Me smart.
this is really helpful first off!
Secondly,
I find it so strange that beginning writers are writing too much. I'm a beginning writer (in university currently) and I have trouble getting to the minimum. The novel I'm working on (just for my own amusement and to see if I can actually finish one) is sitting at about 26k according to WP word count (courier method around 35k I'd say) and I feel like I'm about to wrap it up. (It's in the crime/hard boiled type genre by the way.) I've always been a fan of saying in one word what takes other people ten words and I think I do this reasonably effectively (I seem to get As on essays when they just barely meet the page requirements) but something must be going on here! I guess I have to learn patience or something.
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME! I'm having some difficulty with my own MS in this regard. I set it to one inch margins, Courier New, 12 point, and double spaced. But not one of my pages has 25 lines. They alternate between 23 and 24. Does this mean that I multiply the page count by 240, or do I still go with 250. If I do 240, I get about 122,000. If 240, I get 128,000. I'm using Word 2007, if that makes a difference. HELP!
To get the right number of lines, you probably just need to turn off "widows and orphans" (google it). But it's not worth freaking out over to that degree!
Yeah, I guess I did freak out a bit. You know how it is. The life of an aspiring novelist. Anyway, I did as you suggested, and though my manuscript is shorter, I still only get 24 lines. Is this a problem? Do agents and editors really want it formated this way (with widows and orphans turned off)? Are they still going to estimate 250/page? Okay, I just need to breathe...
One question: If word counts are so all-fired important, why doesn't FinePrint Literary Management mention anything about them in either their submission guidelines or in the individual agent bios? For that matter, why has only *one* lit agency web site out of about 50 I've perused mentioned them? Isn't this an extremely important point if you all don't want to see 100k+ word counts?
Actually, Nicole, I found three posts on reputable agent's blogs dedicated to this same topic. All of them said you should shoot for a word count in the 80k-100k range. I consolidated those comments here.
Thank you for this handy guide. I'm working on my first novel, a YA urban fantasy, and was unsure as to what my word count should be. Thankfully you have come to my rescue!
Thanks for this post!
A while back my writing partner and I read online that because kids are growing up reading fat Harry Potter books it has become more acceptable for writers to produce longer word count manuscripts. However, your blog set us straight. Now we realize our cowritten novel THE GOLDEN GRIP is much too long at 140K. We haven’t received a query rejection from you yet, so we are hopeful that this update on our word count revision will encourage you about our dedication to this project. Though we’ve been paring the novel down and polishing it over the past two years, we want you to know we are committed to editing another 40K from the manuscript. Many thanks for elucidating on this most nebulous zone of ms word count, especially for new novelists! You are so right — there really is conflicting info online.
A.N. Timms
If an agent or editor finds a truly outstanding book that runs in the 200k range (yes, it happens!)
Heh, I came back and re-read this after a rough day, complete with joints too sore to let me knit much, and this made it a little better. As annoying and difficult as my edits are, it's nice to be reminded that the book is something special. If it weren't, I'd still be looking for an agent. :)
I am currently reading a fanfiction novel that clocks in at a stunning finished length of, get this, 865,100 words! And this isn't even a series; it's one story. It seems an irony that things read on the internet can be tremendously long without you realizing at the beginning, thanks to the medium. When I started reading I didn't think to check the word count or I might never have begun. I feel a bit like I thought I'd go swimming and found myself trying to cross the English Channel. Perhaps the scary thing is that I'm about halfway through and still haven't given up. It's a good thing I'm a fast reader! An editor would be greatly helpful, indeed.
Ah. As one of the authors of what a friend of mine refers to as "the tome" (and which clocked in at just over 200,000 words), I can see we have much work to do in revisions.
Hopefully, we can end up with two strong novels instead of one ungainly one.
Now, if someone *sent* a query for a novel that large, would you read it, or send it back and tell them to pare it down?
Very helpful post, thanks.
My kids (ages 8, 11 and 13) are all reading Harry Potter (later books) right now. They are doorstoppers, but my kids cannot get enough of them. I am constantly amazed to see my 8 year old devour 700 plus pages in a matter of days. As my oldest said, JK Rowling is a brilliant storyteller.
As a writer who has clocked in at 65k tops, I am impressed with those who can carry a storyline to higher word counts.
A friend directed me to this article, and it has given me some perspective on how long any book I want to get published needs to be.
Thanks for posting this!
I wish everybody in the industry would include numbers and data when they post. This has been enormously helpful. Thanks!
Hey Colleen -
As a YA author (whose contracts estimate 75k word manuscripts), can I just point out to your readers that if they have a novel that's 150k words long, they could, with some creative thinking and good editing, turn that into TWO novels?
Just saying, while some people are wailing and gnashing teeth over the editors' insistence on shorter books hurting their magnum opus, some of us are over here getting paid for two books by putting in the same amount of effort.
James
I realize I'm coming along with this late in the day, but I am really glad I found this. As a small press publisher, I've explained to a writer why he needs to tighten his words, but your blog said it best. It also reminds me to "kill off my darlings" in my own work.
Thanks!
Barbara
www.bloodredshadows.com
I'm glad I found this post, but I am stunned. Lost for words. Jaw on the floor. Was the first Harry Potter novel only 77,000 words? Was Fellowship of the Ring really only 177,000 words? I could have sworn they were really really long. I'm working on the first draft of my first fantasy novel and it's hit 85,000 words, and I'm only about a third of the way through the story, if that. I had envisaged it as a trilogy of sorts but I cannot believe I've written as many words as the Chamber of Secrets - because I feel like not all that much has happened in book. Yes I will cut and pare but my goodness I need to tighten things up. Shudder.
Wow, thanks so much for this discussion. This is EXACTLY the information I was looking for!
This is good information, but one thing's always bothered me.
Why do they say it costs more to print longer novels when typeface can be so easily reduced? A smaller font results in fewer pages, and books do not all share the same font size anyway.
I don't think cost is or should be an issue; good editing and storytelling should be. I would think they're more concerned about excessive verbosity when there are more words.
A very helpful post. Information like this is always great for an aspiring author. With my first attempt at writing a novel, I had no clue about preferred word counts--I wasn't even sure of the formula for calculating the word count. My rough draft ended up in the neighborhood of 120,000 words. Then, the second draft ballooned up to 140,000 words, as I had the naive notion the novel (supernatural horror) was too short. Now, it's getting boiled down to 100,000 in the fourth draft. Always helps to know ahead of time, what I should be aiming at in story length. Live and learn.
So being a Johnny-come-lately to this post, you might never see my comment and subsequent question, but I'll comment anyhow.
This was a very informative post. As an aspiring writer, it's the sort of thing I ought to know, but research can be trifling, since everyone seems to have a different opinion on matters.
I've written an epic fantasy, which one day I'd love to see in print. It's long. Like 160,000 words long. When I first finished, it was more like 180,000 words long. I've carved and hacked, and I'm willing to keep sculpting. The problem is, duh, I'm an ASPIRING writer. I look at the book and think 'can't cut that, no, need that scene because it sets this scene up' etc. I HAVE been working on taking a paragraph, and putting the information within it into one or two sentences and that sort of thing, but I'm not an editor, obviously. Should I look into sending my manuscript to a professional editor? I'd be happy to take direction, if I could find someone who wanted to give it without taking a kidney for payment...
Dear A -
AT this point I'll tell you what I would tell any writer: you need to cut a good 40,000 words off this book or you won't get an agent, much less a publisher.
You can hire a professional editor to help you. Do bear in mind that professional editorial services aren't cheap: a good editor runs about $100 to $120 per hour; your manuscript would take her about eighteen to twenty hours of work. Do the math.
Best,
Colleen
Thank you for responding so quickly to my comment. Determined to attack my millstone of a manuscript I immediately went and started at the beginning. It's been several weeks since my last go at editing and I've already knocked almost a thousand words out of the way. Wonder of wonders, I didn't need any of them to start with. It's like beer goggles without the alcohol! Years from now, I'll probably be laughing my ass off at the unwarranted junk I put in the book the first go round...
As a reader, I loathe short novels. Rarely is there any decent character development, much less a substantial story.
When looking for books, I rarely pick up a novel that's less than 350 pages because it's just not enough story.
As a writer, I have been told by more of my friends that the novel I wrote with no intention of publishing is way too short (it's 60,000 words) and needs more to be a book they'd buy.
The trend needs to go back to long novels, and soon.
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